Sunday, November 16, 2008

Eligibility Lawsuits Find Litigants With Unquestionable Standing

as here. Also, from Friday, November 14, 2008
More On Eligibility Lawsuits
From this link, where quite a few are underway in many states: Obama camp: Lawsuits by citizens are 'garbage'
Added from Tuesday, November 18, 2008
A Commenter Draws Out The Key Issue For The Eligibility Lawsuits
From the comments on the next post down: "Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia."


Anonymous said...

See the article at!!!

Additional info:

While Berg's suit heads for the Supreme Court, where it may well be dismissed, upholding the lower court's "lack of standing" ruling… Alan Keyes and others are suing to keep CALIFORNIA's electoral votes from being granted to Obama until he proves his eligibility. This is the latest in a series of more than 10 active suits in a variety of states. Andy Martin is suing in the State of HI to force production of the original Birth Certificate document. The Secretaries of State in a number of states are being challenged in court to verify eligibility before certifying the electoral votes. The constitutional eligibility question is far from settled, however it is a greater crisis since Obama won the election!

Here's a listing of some active suits…

Obama has put forth only a "Certification of live birth", which is NOT A Birth Certificate!

After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a "Natural born citizen" to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.

However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a "birth certificate". What they supplied was actually a "Certificate of Live Birth." There is a major difference between a "birth certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth."

Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't. This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.

Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site:

The "Certificate of Live Birth" provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the "Amended certificates of birth" they site. Why is that important? Because of that second clause in the above citation. While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove "natural born" citizenship. "Natural born citizenship" is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution.

The form Obama posted wouldn't even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii's Home Lands Program!


In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

THIS is a HI Birth Certificate:

And this is the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's website:

Notice any differences?

Hospital of birth? Residence address of mother? Birthplace of parents? SIGNATURE OF ATTENDANT AT BIRTH?

What Obama has posted IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

There is a further complication, however. His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment. (I laugh whenever reference is made to "citizen of the WORLD'... Obama truly is a WORLD CITIZEN!)

Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia. Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian! His US Citizenship would be forfeit!

Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II. (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous "Barry Soetoro"? Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen? Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro? I'm just asking...)

John S. Bolton said...

Thanks for your information, I did see that article.

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My friend and I were recently talking about how modern society has evolved to become so integrated with technology. Reading this post makes me think back to that discussion we had, and just how inseparable from electronics we have all become.

I don't mean this in a bad way, of course! Ethical concerns aside... I just hope that as the price of memory drops, the possibility of copying our memories onto a digital medium becomes a true reality. It's a fantasy that I daydream about all the time.

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